The CALLER TIMES FORUM DELETION Armstrong Ranch Hunting Accident, Cheney shoots Whittington

It's Old Deadeye Dickless Cheney - he shot an attornery???
porter goss - 04:01pm Feb 12, 2006 Central
Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and injured a man during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, his spokeswoman said Sunday.
Harry Whittington, 78, was “alert and doing fine” after Cheney sprayed him with shotgun pellets on Saturday while the two were hunting at the Armstrong Ranch in south Texas, said property owner Katharine Armstrong.
Armstrong said Whittington was mostly injured on his right side, with the pellets hitting his cheek, neck and chest, and was taken to the hospital by ambulance.
Whittington was in stable condition Sunday, said Yvonne Wheeler, spokeswoman for the Christus Spohn Health System.
Cheney’s spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president was with Whittington, a lawyer from Austin, Texas, and his wife at the hospital on Sunday afternoon.
Armstrong said she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shot at a covey of quail late afternoon on Saturday.
Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, while Cheney and the third hunter walked to another spot and found a second covey.
Whittington “came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn’t signal them or indicate to them or announce himself,” Armstrong told the Associated Press in an interview.
“The vice president didn’t see him,” she continued. “The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by God, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good.”
The shooting was first reported by the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.
I know that they (REPUKES) don't like attorneys, but c'mon Cheney.. isn't this a little extreme even for you???
porter goss - 04:11pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#1 of 24)
anne Coulter is praying it's a DEM Attorney.. well he's from Austin.. could be...
Eric W. - 04:38pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#2 of 24)
The Secret Service got to him before Deadeye could field dress him.
porter goss - 04:47pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#3 of 24)
Good one.. EW...
porter goss - 04:49pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#4 of 24)
Old Deadeye Dickless Cheney
Based on this photo, it appears the Taxidermist got to him first!
porter goss - 05:42pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#5 of 24)
Vice President Shoots Man on Saturday Story Finally Leaks Out On Sunday????Dick Cheney accidentally shot and wounded a companion during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, spraying the fellow hunter in the face and chest with shotgun pellets.
Harry Whittington, a millionaire attorney from Austin, was "alert and doing fine" in a Corpus Christi hospital Sunday after he was shot by Cheney on a ranch in south Texas, said Katharine Armstrong, the property's owner.
He was in stable condition Sunday, said Yvonne Wheeler, spokeswoman for the Christus Spohn Health System in Corpus Christi.
Armstrong in an interview with The Associated Press said Whittington, 78, was mostly injured on his right side, with the pellets hitting his cheek, neck and chest during the incident which occurred late afternoon on Saturday.
She said emergency personnel traveling with Cheney tended to Whittington until the ambulance arrived.
Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president met with Whittington and his wife at the hospital on Sunday. Cheney "was pleased to see that he's doing fine and in good spirits," she said.
The shooting was first reported by the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. The vice president's office did not disclose the accident until the day after it happened.
Armstrong said she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shoot at a covey of quail.
porter goss - 05:48pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#6 of 24)
Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, while Cheney and the third hunter walked to another spot and discovered a second covey.
Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong said.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cheney_hunting_accident
Eric W. - 05:55pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#7 of 24)
This is the actual story before is was edited:
Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a 78-year-old man during a hunting trip Saturday afternoon at the Armstrong Ranch.
Cheney sprayed Austin attorney and Armstrong family friend Harry Whittington with shotgun pellets while hunting for wetbacks at about 5:30 p.m. Saturday at the Kenedy County ranch, where he is a frequent visitor.
Katharine Armstrong, owner of the ranch, said Whittington was in good condition after being taken to Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial by ambulance.
"The vice president has spoken with Mrs. Whittington and is visiting with Mr. Whittington today," said Lea Anne McBride, spokeswoman for the vice president.
Armstrong said Cheney turned to a wetback that had just been flushed, accidentally peppering one side of Whittington’s body. Armstrong said Cheney was unaware Whittington had approached him from behind.
"Nobody wants this to happen, but it does," Armstrong said.
Cheney’s secret service agents tended to the injured man before paramedics arrived, Armstrong said.
Officials with the Kenedy County Sheriff’s Office, who helped investigate the incident, did not return phone calls Sunday afternoon.
porter goss - 05:58pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#8 of 24)
QUESTION: Could it be the Caller Times was complicit in holding/covering up this story for 24 hours, or even longer?
porter goss - 06:00pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#9 of 24)
EDITED? What part of the story did I edit?
Eric W. - 06:01pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#10 of 24)
They had to get in the sports editor to confirm that quail season was open before they released the story.
Elwood Blues - 06:02pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#11 of 24) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
..read Eric's article,pg..
porter goss - 06:02pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#12 of 24)
A Private Ranch... does he even need a license?
porter goss - 06:04pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#13 of 24)
Should have known.. EW.. you got to stop that stuff...
Eric W. - 06:04pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#14 of 24)
They only give those licenses to cabinet members and high ranking goverment officials.
porter goss - 06:06pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#15 of 24)
So we can finally say the Bush Admin is doing something about the Open Borders and Cheney has rolled up his sleeves and gone to work on the problem personally?
Elwood Blues - 06:07pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#16 of 24) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
After reading this story..why do I keep getting a mental image of Elmer Fudd?
Elmer Cheney: Shhh..be vewwy vewwy quiet..we're hunting for qwail..hehehehehe..
porter goss - 06:08pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#17 of 24)
Thanks EB, I read the first 2 paragraphs only and was taken in by EW's .. trick
porter goss - 06:09pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#18 of 24)
Oddly, I posted this story before the Caller even posted their Breaking News story.. yet, they leaked it Nationwide?
Eric W. - 06:14pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#19 of 24) Elwood Blues - 06:15pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#20 of 24) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
LOL..Eric's a bit more insidious than FT..You see one of FT's copy/pastes..you can scroll by it for the most part..Eric tends to push the envelope more than FT does..so you've gotta keep a closer eye on him.
Elwood Blues - 06:18pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#21 of 24) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
Actually..he does.Take the glasses off..put one of those big red hunting caps on him...Elmer Fudd.Looks like he's about as good a marksman as Elmer is,too.
Eric W. - 06:20pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#22 of 24)
Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit!
porter goss - 06:32pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#23 of 24)
BUSH ADMINISTRATION: The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight!Dickless Cheney Accidentally Shoots Man While Quail Hunting. Uh huh, that's what happens when you have Five Military Deferments to avoid serving in Vietnam and You Never Learn How to Handle a Gun!
Eric W. - 06:57pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#24 of 24)

Kinda reminds me of the fraudulent military deferment that Clinton got.

Elwood Blues - 08:50pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#25 of 36) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
Just think..if he'd gone into the National Guard like Shrub...he too could've been a lean,mean,drinking....errr..fighting machine.He could've had his own flightsuit,too.
They could've been like Maverick and Goose from "Top Gun"..Weasel and Doughboy..serenading a young Laura "Pickles" Bush..
"You've lost..that lovin feeeeelinnn'..."
Eric W. - 09:26pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#26 of 36)
Think of the feminine conquests Slick Willie coulda made with a flight suit. If he'da thought about it he'da volunteered.
porter goss - 10:21pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#27 of 36)
TMV has a round up and looks at the time line.
FDL remembers what Cheney said about Kerry.
"There's an article in which "Cheney reportedly shot more than 70 stocked pheasants and an unknown number of mallard ducks at an exclusive private club places a spotlight on an increasingly popular and deplorable form of hunting, in which birds are pen-reared and released to be shot in large numbers by patrons. The ethics of these hunts are called into question by rank-and-file sportsmen, who hunt animals in their native habitat and do not shoot confined or pen-raised animals that cannot escape."
Talk Left takes a look at Texas law...
I hope Harry Whittington is really doing ok, after all he is 78 years old.
porter goss - 10:25pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#28 of 36)
Yeah, Old Deadeye, Elmer "Fudd" Cheney did Clinton 5 times better... 5 or 6 deferments.. that's got to be a record..
porter goss - 10:31pm Feb 12, 2006 Central (#29 of 36)
The above photo shows Vice President Dick Cheney speaking to reporters at the Corpus Christi Spohn Hospital bedside of the man who he "accidentally" shot this weekend while on a hunting trip in Texas.
porter goss - 12:15am Feb 13, 2006 Central (#30 of 36)
Cheney Video Look out
Looking for a copy of the shooting incident. Memo to Secret Service agents. I will keep your name confidential.
The only one I've received so far is with Scalia.
E&P has some serious questions about the delay in reporting the shooting:
" The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas, received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting occured and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation...read on<
porter goss - 12:24am Feb 13, 2006 Central (#31 of 36)
One of Powell's colleagues at paper, Beth Francesco, told E&P that Powell had built up a strong source relationship with the prominent ranch owner, Katharine Armstrong, which led to the tip. Powell is chief political reporter for the paper and also covers the area where the ranch is located south of Sarita.Armstrong called the paper Sunday morning looking for Powell, who was not at work. When they did talk, Armstrong revealed the shooting of prominent Austin attorney Harry Whittington, who is now in stable condition in a hospital. Powell then called Cheney's office for the confirmation around midday. The newspaper broke the story at mid-afternoon--not a word about it had appeared before then.The Cheney spokesman Powell spoke with, Lea Anne McBride, would not comment on whether the White House would have ever released the information had the Caller-Times not contacted them."I’m not going to speculate," McBride said, according to Powell. "When you put the call into me, I was able to confirm that account."Francesco, at the Corpus Christi paper, said she felt it was a bit odd that her newsroom had not received any information about the shooting since "we often call law enforcement in area, even on weekends. We checked in and didn’t hear anything about it."While E&P was first to raise the question about the delay Sunday afternoon, Frank James, reporter in the Chicago Tribune's Washington bureau, put his how spin on it later in the day, asking, "How is it that Vice President Cheney can shoot a man, albeit accidentally, on Saturday during a hunting trip and the American public not be informed of it until today?"
porter goss - 12:27am Feb 13, 2006 Central (#32 of 36)
Indeed, others raised questions as well. "There was no immediate reason given as to why the incident wasn't reported until Sunday," The Dallas Morning News observed. "The sheriff's office in Kenedy County did not respond to phone calls Sunday."The president, who was at the White House over the weekend, was informed about the incident in Texas after it happened Saturday by Chief of Staff Andrew Card and Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and was updated on Sunday, press secretary Scott McClellan said.But neither the White House nor the vice president's staff announced the shooting. The Washington Post reported late Sunday that Cheney's office did not make a public announcement.Asked by The New York Times why it did not make the news known, Cheney spokeswoman McBride said, "We deferred to the Armstrongs regarding what had taken place at their ranch."In an odd disparity, Armstrong told the Houston Chronicle that Whittington, 78, was "bruised more than bloodied" in the incident and "his pride was hurt more than anything else." Yet he was airlifted to a hospital and has spent more than a day in an intensive care unit.The Chronicle also reports Monday that hunting accidents are amazingly rare in Texas. In 2004, it said, the state's 1 million-plus hunters were involved in only 29 hunting-related accidents (19 involving firearms), four of which were fatal.The delay in announcing the shooting "will likely be the main question asked of the White House about the apparent accidental shooting of a 78-year-old man during a Texas hunting trip by the vice president," the Tribune's James wrote on the Washington bureau's blog at the newspaper's site.
porter goss - 12:43am Feb 13, 2006 Central (#33 of 36)
The straight shooters in the White House didn't want anyone to know about Cheney's "incident".
The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas, received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting occured and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
The confirmation was made but there was no indication whether the Vice President's office, the White House, or anyone else intended to announce the shooting if the reporter, Jaime Powell of the Corpus Christ Caller-Times, had not received word from the ranch owner.
Par for the course for the gang that couldn't shoot straight. Incompetence and a healthy effort to coverup that incompetence, and, failing that, they blame the victim.http://www.dailykos.com/
ronnie earle - 12:52am Feb 13, 2006 Central (#34 of 36)
The crazy ol geezer was no doubt half in the bag. Wonder if they did a breathalizer test? ...
porter goss - 01:37am Feb 13, 2006 Central (#35 of 36)
Guns don't shoot people. Vice Presidents shoot people!Vice President Dick Cheney, a darling of the National Rifle Association and a strong advocate of guns and hunting, shot and injured a man during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas. Don't guess he'll do any endorsement ads too soon.. huh?
John DeLaGarza - 01:50am Feb 13, 2006 Central (#36 of 36)
I'm a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, however I like most gun owners do not hunt.
Myself mostly because I dont have the time, money, or connections to get out on someone's property to go hunting, and slightly less because I dont want to have to deal with the Fudds. Be them incompotent and/or drunk and blast anything that moves around in the brush. Or be them the elitests who think that the 2nd amendment is about hunting and why do I need to own one of those assault rifles.
Anyways next time I do go hunting with my communist bloc SKS, I'll make sure to pick up a Kevlar Vest to go along with my Kevlar Helmet just in case.

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What happened to the VP Shooitng thread? It's disappeared?
harry reid - 11:44am Feb 13, 2006 Central“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Can anyone get to it? Also the Cheney thread about Plamegate is gone?
KhachTX - 01:38pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#1 of 23) Going to church no more makes you a Christian than going swimming makes you a fish
havent' seen it....but would like to!
harry reid - 04:08pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#2 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
I spoke to them an hour or so ago. The web site folks were told by "corporate" to make it disappear... along with the thread about him authorizing Libby to leak Plame's name. Incidentally, she was covert and working on IRAN intelligence at the time!
And get this, they didn't want to be embarrassed because of the d- - kless Cheney comments, yet they allow the "f" word from EW to remain?Censoring a totally made up word, and still allowing one of the well known 7 words considered illegal in broadcasting to appear makes as much sense as pillows in coffins! Its BS.. and the Caller Times knows it.. why though? Many of us has used that d- - ckless word for over 3 years.. I traced it to a Cisco, and Linda something as far back as 2003.... posts.
Suddenly it's an embarrassment? Yet the "F" word isnt?
harry reid - 04:15pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#3 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The Kenedy County Sheriff’s Department did not investigate the accidental shooting of prominent Texas lawyer Harry Whittington by Vice President Dick Cheney until the next morning.
Cheney, Whittington and U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein Pam Willeford were hunting quail on the Northwest part of the 50,000-acre Armstrong Ranch Saturday afternoon, when Cheney, firing at a covey of quail, sprayed Whittington with shotgun pellets.
Katharine Armstrong, one of the owners of the ranch, said the priority was to address Whittington’s injuries, and thus it didn’t occur to the family to contact the authorities. Oddly, she didn't include that in her first statement.. now did she?
"The sheriff came the next morning and took a statement." Armstrong said. "It did not even occur to me. It was not like somebody had robbed a filling station. It was not like a criminal thing."
None in the hunting party was drinking alcohol, Armstrong said.
"No, zero, zippo and I don’t drink at all," she said. "No one was drinking." And now, you couldn't prove it if you had too.. he he...
harry reid - 04:34pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#4 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Well maybe you were right EW. D- - ckless must be much worse than the "f" word, PG was booted off... you're still here.. And he has lost his privileges. Wow, there is something wrong here.. Someone asserted pressure...
Eric W. - 05:13pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#5 of 23)
I am surprised. I don't want anyone to be kicked. Hell, we are all big boy here . . . except for Tejano2K, of course.
harry reid - 05:22pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#6 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Inconsistencies Abound with the Cheney Shooting Response
Word first spread that Vice President Dick Cheney had accidentally shot one of his hunting partners on February 12, nearly 24 hours after the incident occurred, when Katharine Armstrong -- the host of Cheney's hunting party -- passed the story on to her local newspaper, Texas' Corpus Christi Caller-Times. In a February 13 article, National Review White House correspondent Byron York wrote that Armstrong "said she did not coordinate with the vice president's office before calling the Corpus Christi paper." But when a spokeswoman for Cheney responded to the article by saying that, in fact, Armstrong and Cheney discussed specifically how the news would be disclosed to the public, York printed the White House response as an "author's note" at the bottom of the article, with no explanation for the discrepancy in Armstrong's and Cheney's reported accounts.
harry reid - 05:23pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#7 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
From York's article on National Review Online:
Katharine Armstrong said she did not coordinate with the vice president's office before calling the Corpus Christi paper. If Armstrong had not made the call, it is not clear when, if ever, the vice president's office would have told the public about the incident. Asked what would have happened if the accident had happened another way -- if, for example, [Harry] Whittington [the Texas attorney that Cheney shot] had accidentally shot the vice president -- the administration source told NRO that it would have been handled in a similar fashion. "The priorities would have remained the same -- first medical care, then law enforcement alert," the source said. Still, in the case of Saturday's shooting, those matters were taken care of on Saturday, and the press was still not notified until after Katharine Armstrong made the decision to call her local paper.
AUTHOR'S NOTE: After this story appeared, Cheney spokeswoman Lea Anne McBride called NRO to say that Cheney and Katharine Armstrong did discuss telling the public about the incident. "The vice president was on the Armstrong ranch, and they were talking directly," McBride said. "The vice president and Mrs. Armstrong agreed that the media should be notified, and Mrs. Armstrong called her local paper."
harry reid - 05:24pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#8 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The "author's note" raises the question of how the discrepancy occurred, which York gave no indication of trying to answer. There are at least three possibilities: (1) York misrepresented what Armstrong told him; (2) Armstrong did not tell the truth; or (3) the White House did not tell the truth.
York's description of Armstrong's account was similar to a report by CNN. During coverage of a February 13 White House press briefing, CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux noted that Armstrong "told CNN that she did not believe that the Vice President's Office was aware that she was going to go to the local press." But Malveaux pressed White House press secretary Scott McClellan to explain the discrepancy between Armstrong's account and the Bush administration's line:
MALVEAUX: Katharine Armstrong talked to CNN Sunday evening [February 12] and she said that she thought this was going to become a story, so she was going to go to the local press. She also told CNN that she did not believe the Vice President's Office was aware that she was going to go to the local press. How do you square that with your account, that --
McCLELLAN: The vice president spoke with her directly, and they agreed that she would make it public.
MALVEAUX: Are you saying that she's lying? That her --
McCLELLAN: No. You ought to check with her.
MALVEAUX: We did check with her. So you're saying that's not correct?McCLELLAN: The vice president spoke directly with Mrs. Armstrong, and they agreed that she would make the information public.
harry reid - 05:29pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#9 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
REALLY? C'mon Scotty.. who's telling the truth now? The WH track record hasn't been all that good.. we all remember Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, the now famous LEVEE line from Bubble Boy etc.
Someone please, step forward and actually set the record straight.. for once!
Eric W. - 06:01pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#10 of 23)
Yeah, the Republicans assasinated Tillman, fabricated the rescue of Jessica and blew up the levees with atomic bombs to kill poor Black in New Orleans so that rich White people could steal their property.
FT__TX - 06:20pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#11 of 23) "You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness" ~Ronald Reagan~
hairless, as usual, you're makin' a giant mountain out of a tiny molehill here.
Anyone that has ever been bird hunting with a group of shooters, has been "peppered" by shotgun pellets.
It happens all the time.
The reson it's generally no big deal, is that normaly, when using 7 1/2 shot, it'd be tough to break even skin, unless the person "peppered" was really close. Or, if you were older and with that, had thin skin. As older people often do.
Cheney's hunting partner must have forgotten typical bird hunting rules. If you're going to approach a fellow hunter in the field, it's your own responsibility to alert your fellow hunter that you're within range. The hunter is looking for birds. Not for people quietly approaching the firing zone, from behind, unannounced.
That's just the way it is, and always will be, for everyone who's ever gone bird hunting.
harry reid - 07:31pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#12 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
No, the administration tried to invent, fabricate heroes.. they wanted walking talkind recruitment posters.. laugh all you want EW, but when your government (has to resort to trickery, deception, bald faced lies) for recruitment something is way wrong!
I've never accused anyone of blowing up levees, but our own government's report says they screwed the pooch.. and we now know Bush lied while trying to deflect the heat about the levee's.
harry reid - 07:36pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#13 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The questions I've raised have little or nothing to do with anything you mention in your post FT.
The question/s I've raised are about the response to the accident, NOT the accident.
From__Said - 07:38pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#14 of 23) I did NOT vote for him - and I'm proud of it!
The whole media world is wondering why it took over 8 hours for the news to reach the rest of the world, about Cheney shooting one of his best friends. And the poor guy is still in ICU.
If that's how Cheney treats his friends, how will he treat his enemies?
Never mind, not expecting an answer.
Eric W. - 07:55pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#15 of 23)
The guy ain't in ICU because of the seriousness of his wound. The guy got a couple of bird shot. If it was anyone else they who have their wife pick 'em out with the tweezer like mine does.
Doya think the next time I hit my thumb with the hammer or stub my toe or do some asphalt surfin' on my motorcycle I need to call the sheriff and then call the national press corp.
Jan Shilling - 09:12pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#16 of 23)
Why are bird dogs not used to fetch up birds on a hunting ranch?
Is this a common practice?
Elwood Blues - 10:15pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#17 of 23) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
Sorry about porter,harry.We're all here at the sysop's pleasure,I guess..though I doubt anyone here was truly offended by the nickname.
I suspect the delay in reporting the incident was due more to alcohol being involved than anyone else.I know Eric,FT,and GR are no strangers to a good ol' South Texas quail hunt..so what do you fellas think? Think there mighta been a couple shots of some good whiskey..maybe a few cold cervezas over the course of the day?
I'm not saying Cheney was falling down drunk..but given the political climate these days..word gets out his BAC was even 0.01%..there'd still be a firestorm over it..so,even if he'd only had a beer or two,he'd be made out to be a drunk an alcoholic or he might even have Carlos Valdez (a Dem DA who wouldn't mind the publicity at Cheney's expense) wanting a word with him.
Jaime Kenedeno - 10:31pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#18 of 23)
HR: "What happened to the VP Shootng thread? It's disappeared?"
Right here.
http://armstrongranch.blogspot.com/
Eric W. - 10:34pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#19 of 23)
According to folks who were there no alcohol was involved. I'm sure y'all have some special insight, possibly an inside source or a devine revelation.
I don't know that they were hunting with dogs. I doesn't appear that he was shot while trying to retrieve a bird anyway.
Elwood Blues - 11:07pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#20 of 23) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
No special insight claimed..I'm just tryin' to calibrate my "bovine excrement" meter.
harry reid - 11:47pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#21 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
TDS: Cheney makes Stewart so happy! Jon Stewart was having a really boring weekend and he was really sad. Nothing had been getting his blood boiling lately and he just wasn't excited to be alive anymore-Until:
Video-WMP Video-QT Later
Stewart was on fire tonight:
"Whittington was mistaken for a bird."
"Harry Whittington, seasoned to an inch of his life."
"Don't let your kids go hunting with the Vice President. I don't care what kind of lucrative contracts they're trying to land or-energy regulations they're trying to get lifted. He'll shoot them in the face."
Rob Courdry joined in.
harry reid - 11:48pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#22 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
TDS: Cheney makes Stewart so happy! continued...
Courdry: "Jon, tonight the Vice President is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Whittington. Now according to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time-there-were-quail in the brush. And while the quail turned out to be the 78 year old man. Even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists-he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face.
harry reid - 11:54pm Feb 13, 2006 Central (#23 of 23) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Oh sure, there's no reason not to believe anything ANYONE in the Bush Admin says. After all, they've been so forthright these past 5 years...


Eric W. - 07:19am Feb 14, 2006 Central (#24 of 78)
harry reid 2/14/06 12:54am
Yep, them Republican will lie. I didn't have sex with that, that woman! BWAHAHAHA!!!
harry reid - 10:44am Feb 14, 2006 Central (#25 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
On "The Daily Show" last night, Jon Stewart, speaking as a "concerned parent," urged viewers never to let their children go on hunting trips with the vice president. "I can't emphasize this enough," Stewart said. "I don't care what kind of lucrative contracts they're trying to land, or energy regulation they're trying to get lifted. . . . He'll shoot them in the face."
Likewise, David Letterman's Top 10 list was devoted to "Dick Cheney's excuses," which included that he "thought the guy was trying to go gay cowboy on me."
harry reid - 10:47am Feb 14, 2006 Central (#26 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
"The worst part is, he was aiming at the special prosecutor," contributed John Kerry spokesman David Wade.
Once and for all we now KNOW Dick Cheney, he's no straight shooter!
Jan Shilling - 11:09am Feb 14, 2006 Central (#27 of 78)
The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued a report Monday that found the main factor contributing to the accident was a "hunter's judgment factor." No other secondary factors were found to have played a role.
END OF STORY,
What else is new in the Big City. It sure has been a slow news day...
Send in the Clowns.....
Eric W. - 11:22am Feb 14, 2006 Central (#28 of 78)

Another Demokrap Hero!
harry reid - 12:14pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#29 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”

Jon Stewart: "I'm joined now by our own vice-presidential firearms mishap analyst, Rob Corddry. Rob, obviously a very unfortunate situation. How is the vice president handling it?
Rob Corddry: "Jon, tonight the vice president is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Wittington. According to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time there were quail in the brush.
"And while the quail turned out to be a 78-year-old man, even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face. He believes the world is a better place for his spreading buckshot throughout the entire region of Mr. Whittington's face."
Jon Stewart: "But why, Rob? If he had known Mr. Whittington was not a bird, why would he still have shot him?"
Rob Corddry: "Jon, in a post-9-11 world, the American people expect their leaders to be decisive. To not have shot his friend in the face would have sent a message to the quail that America is weak."
Jon Stewart: "That's horrible."
Rob Corddry: "Look, the mere fact that we're even talking about how the vice president drives up with his rich friends in cars to shoot farm-raised wingless quail-tards is letting the quail know 'how' we're hunting them. I'm sure right now those birds are laughing at us in that little 'covey' of theirs.
Jon Stewart: "I'm not sure birds can laugh, Rob."
Rob Corddry: "Well, whatever it is they do ... coo .. they're cooing at us right now, Jon, because here we are talking openly about our plans to hunt them. Jig is up. Quails one, America zero.
Jon Stewart: "Okay, well, on a purely human level, is the vice president at least sorry?"
harry reid - 12:15pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#30 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Rob Corddry: "Jon, what difference does it make? The bullets are already in this man's face. Let's move forward across party lines as a people ... to get him some sort of mask."

harry reid - 12:18pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#31 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
David Letterman:
"Good news ladies and gentleman, we have finally located weapons of mass destruction ... It's Dick Cheney." [...]
"We can't get Bin Laden, but we nailed a 78-year-old attorney." [...]
"The guy who got gunned down is a Republican lawyer and a big Republican donor and fortunately the buck shot was deflected by wads of laundered cash. So he's fine. He took a little in the wallet."
Jay Leno:
"When people found out he shot a lawyer his popularity is now at 92%" [...]
"Something I just found out today about the incident. Do you know that Dick Cheney tortured the guy for a half hour before he shot him?"


Eric W. - 12:26pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#32 of 78)
Dick Cheney comes across as a genius when compared to Clinton's VP, Algore:
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"
"A zebra does not change its spots."
"Speaking from my own religious tradition in this Christmas season, 2,000 years ago a homeless woman gave birth to a homeless child in a manger because the inn was full."
harry reid - 12:45pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#33 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
President Bush, he announced, would be on the South Lawn with the national champion University of Texas football team. "The orange they're wearing is not because they are concerned that the vice president will be there," he deadpanned.
The reporters, so recently his tormenters, guffawed. "Although," he continued, pointing to his orange tie, "that's why I'm wearing it, so hopefully none of y'all will --''
If McClellan finished that thought, it was lost in more laughter. But the goodwill ended quickly.
Terry Hunt of the AP wanted to know if President Bush has spoken with the shooting victim (he hasn't) and how often Cheney goes hunting ("on a fairly frequent basis.") CBS's Bill Plante asked if Cheney's office would be providing a fuller account of what happened over the weekend. "I think we pretty much covered it all yesterday," McClellan said.
NBC's Kelly O'Donnell wondered if Cheney would be offering any statement himself, even one of regret for the shooting. "You've heard from the vice president's office," McClellan replied.
The spokesman seemed grateful when Helen Thomas hectored him about Hamas, or when another wondered if Bush still has confidence in embattled Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff.
The New York Times's Elisabeth Bumiller tried to sort out the shooting timeline. "Why didn't the vice president call the president?" she pressed. "I don't get it."
harry reid - 12:46pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#34 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
"Karl [Rove] spoke with the vice president."
"He's not the president."
O'Donnell tried a different tack on the lack of a phone call between Bush and Cheney. "Should we interpret that there's any strain in the relationship?
"No," McClellan said with a forced laugh, "you shouldn't."
The irrepressible Ken Herman of Cox News challenged: "Why don't they go hunting together?"
Taken from an actual exchange at press briefing today -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/14/AR2006021400869_pf.html
Jan Shilling - 12:53pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#35 of 78)
Whittington Suffers Heart Attack, returns to ICU, Harry Whittington had the heart attack early Tuesday while being evaluated.
Lets all keep Harry Whittington in Our Prayers!
See @ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_re_us/cheney_whittington_4;_ylt=ArTL3zLvjCr2CkILVWNZamhqP0AC;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
harry reid - 12:58pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#36 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Well, that's your warped perspective.. many more of us think Al Gore is far superior in every way to Dr. Evil.. but thanks for sharing EW! And I hope Halliburton thanks you too...
harry reid - 01:05pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#37 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The L.A. Times is edging closer to the most likely reason for the 18 hour delay in reporting that the Vice President of the United States shot someone:"This was a hunting accident," said Gilbert San Miguel, chief deputy of the Kenedy County Sheriff's Office. "There was no alcohol or misconduct."
How do we know there was no alcohol? Cheney refused to talk to local authorities until the next day. No point in giving him a breathalyzer then. Every lawyer I've talked to assumes Cheney was too drunk to talk to the cops after the shooting. The next question for the White House should be: Was Cheney drunk?
harry reid - 01:08pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#38 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”


From Wars to Oil Profiteering to Torture to Shooting People, Cheney is Consistent: He Lies. Now We Find Out Cheney's Shooting Victim Was Shot in the Heart and Was and May Still be in Intensive Care. (Who Can Trust Anything These Chronic Prevaricators Say?)Eric W. - 01:12pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#39 of 78)
harry reid 2/14/06 1:58pm
I figured you would enjoy it. I don't have any Halliburton stock in my portfolio but I might consider it. To tell you the truth, I could never decide who was the bigger twit, Algore or Dubya. They were Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee. I remember Al Gore's combat experience in Vietnam armed with his type writer and protected by his body guard. I remember his school experience, living in a luxury hotel and being choufured to school in a limo. It was a rough life. BWAHAHAHA!!!
harry reid - 01:27pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#40 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Yeah, yeah, I know. Every conservative on the internet is an avid hunter and they've all been shot multiple times.
harry reid - 01:29pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#41 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Al Gore in Viet Nam? Somehow that doesn't sound right?
harry reid - 01:29pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#42 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
You know clinton went to Viet Nam.. right?
Just last year...
harry reid - 01:33pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#43 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The arrogance of this administration is compounded by Cheney's refusal to answer questions regarding the shooting over the weekend. This man that was shot has some serious medical concerns and the VP has nothing to say?
HE OWES the man's family and nation an explanation to what really happened!
Eric W. - 01:49pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#44 of 78)
harry reid 2/14/06 2:33pm
Seems like the man and his family have been addressed by the VP. I would be willing to bet he know exactly what happened. Only a fool would walk up behind a hunter hunting quail. Seems like the only one not satisfied is you and they have essentially said it ain't none of your business.
harry reid - 02:06pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#45 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
I'm hardly the only one not satisfied that the VP hasn't explained himself... polling is about 60% for the VP to answer questions, 30% he doesn't owe an explanation and 10% who don't know there a$$ from a hole in the ground.
And EW, the story, the fact that Secret Service wouldn't allow anyone near the VP is just a little to suspicious and I for one don't believe much of what any REPUKE in this administration says.. After all, they do have a track record.
Eric W. - 02:13pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#46 of 78)
harry reid 2/14/06 3:06pm
Ain't that what the Secret Service does. As for a lying politicians go, "I didn't have sex with that, that woman." BWAHAHAHA!!!
Jan Shilling - 02:42pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#47 of 78)
What is more interesting is what is not being said.
Did the hunting party use Bird Retriever Dogs to retrieve wounded game in the field without problems. If not why not?
Maybe a dumb question, but needed to ask in view of Hunting Tragedy.
Eric W. - 03:06pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#48 of 78)
Jan Shilling 2/14/06 3:42pm
Political groupies are cheaper than dogs and nobody really cares if one of 'em gets shot, expecially if it's a lawyer. Whadaya want, PETA on their ass?
harry reid - 03:19pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#49 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
You are about as funny as D _ _ kless Cheney EW..
Jan Shilling - 03:20pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#50 of 78)
Eric W. say, "Political groupies are cheaper than dogs and nobody really cares if one of 'em gets shot, expecially if it's a lawyer."
EW, Is this what you really think?
Eric W. - 03:24pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#51 of 78)
harry reid 2/14/06 4:19pm
Rumor has it that Dick Cheney is hung like John Holmes, which is why you never see him in shorts. Clinton, on the other hand, was not really a challenge for Monika to deep throat which is why we had all the stains on the little blue dress.
ronnie earle - 03:24pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#52 of 78)


EW, you eipitomize what's wrong with REPUKES...
Eric W. - 03:25pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#53 of 78)
Jan Shilling 2/14/06 4:20pm
I wouldn't piss on a lawyer if it was on fire.
Eric W. - 03:27pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#54 of 78)
ronnie earle 2/14/06 4:24pm
Can you make one of those for Bill Clinton with just "CUM" across the face?
Eric W. - 03:28pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#55 of 78)
How long did it take Bill Clinton to notify the press when he shot Monica Lewinsky in the dress?
Elwood Blues - 03:36pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#56 of 78) "I'm NOT the "voice of reason"
Yo,Eric...you know more about Cheney than any heterosexual man should know..you might wanna consider getting out more,or maybe taking up a hobby.
Don't be going Brokeback on us,now...LOL
ronnie earle - 03:40pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#57 of 78)
Porter gets tossed off this sillya$$ message board for using D _ _ kless Cheney, and EW continues to discuss explicit sex, or borderline porn?
What the he!! is wrong with this picture?
Eric W. - 04:00pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#58 of 78)
ronnie earle 2/14/06 4:40pm
Life ain't fair. Ya gotta learn how to say stuff without actually saying it.
ronnie earle - 04:04pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#59 of 78)
Say goodbye Eric...
Eric W. - 04:11pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#60 of 78)
connie earle 2/14/06 5:04pm
Didja go an whine to the teacher. I have already been kicked off this board hundreds of times. It hasn't taken yet.
ronnie earle - 04:42pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#61 of 78)
No, I just mean.. I'm not paying attention to you anymore.. goodbye!
George Jones - 04:50pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#62 of 78)
I think connie go her panties in a wad and left.
harry reid - 05:14pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#63 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
As the Cheney Turns After (graphic Talk Left)
Dick Cheney shot an old man in the face, Secret Service agents turned away members of the sheriff's department who were not allowed to interview Cheney until Sunday morning. Today the sheriff's department issued a press release saying there was no alcohol involved in the shooting, but if they didn't get to talk to Cheney until Sunday, how would they know?Jane notes that Jim VandeHei did a very good job pressing Scott McClellan about when exactly the President was told about the shooting, and despite McClellan's bobbing and weaving he finally admitted that Bush knew on Saturday night. When asked why nobody thought it was important to tell the public that the Vice President of the United States had shot someone, McClellan said that decision was a personal one made by ranch owner Karen Armstrong and nothing anybody should be expecting from the White House Press Secretary.Meanwhile Alan Simpson says it was all the old man's fault for getting in the way of Dick's gun. But as TBogg notes, that is not the stupidest response to Cheney's unlicensed lawyer hunting. Not even close.
harry reid - 05:33pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#64 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”

David Letterman: “We Can't Get Bin Laden, But We Nailed A 78-Year-Old Attorney”...Jay Leno: “After He Shot The Guy, He Screamed, 'Anyone Else Want To Call Domestic Wire Tapping Illegal?' ”

ronnie earle - 05:35pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#65 of 78)

Whittington has Heart Attack
The 78-year-old lawyer who was shot by Vice President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident has some birdshot lodged in his heart and he had a "minor heart attack," a hospital official said Tuesday. Peter Banko, the hospital administrator at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial, said Harry Whittington had the heart attack early Tuesday while being evaluated...read on"
This is horrible news for Mr. Whittington. With my experience of pain and doctors of late, I knew that this would be much worse than the initial reports were making it out to be.
Jane says:
"Quite convenient that the former Chairman of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commision is none other than Katharine Armstrong Idsal, the Bush Pioneeer behind whose ski
ronnie earle - 05:38pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#66 of 78)
Drunk? I only drank a fifth.. I still see you!
George Jones - 05:49pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#67 of 78)
connie earle 2/14/06 6:38pm
Ya think Bill Clinton was drunk when he shot Monica in the mouth?
ronnie earle - 06:19pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#68 of 78)
"I think he's hurt sir. He's bleeding." "You think he's hurt. Are you a doctor?" "Yes. I'm your doctor. I travel with you all the time." "Ah yes. The Jew. I didn't recognize you without the rib spreader."
ronnie earle - 06:25pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#69 of 78)
FYI EW, even a few real conservatives, not this neo con bunch of incompetents say what arrogance D - - kless has shown.
Guys like Fitzwater, he served 41 and Reagan as press secretary. He is totally appalled by the delay Cheney instructed.
harry reid - 06:56pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#70 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
How do you get the story about Libby getting his marching orders from Cheney regarding Valerie Plame off the front page?
Ari Fleischer Joins Criticism Of Cheney's Response to ShootingAri Fleischer, who served as President George W. Bush's first press secretary, added to the growing criticism of Vice President Dick Cheney's handling of the weekend shooting incident in Texas, telling E&P this afternoon that it "crosses the threshold of news worthiness that ought to be announced and explained."
harry reid - 07:13pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#71 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
The White House Acknowledges Cheney Makes His Own Rules
OK, so just who is in charge of the White House? And why isn't Cheney accountable to anyone? Hmmmm?
ronnie earle - 08:05pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#72 of 78)
“But all kidding aside, and in fairness to Dick Cheney, every five years he has to shed innocent blood or he violates his deal with the devil.” —Jimmy Kimmel
ronnie earle - 08:14pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#73 of 78)
Question: Shouldn't someone start the process of disarming Cheney, and removing him from office?
He's clearly a loose cannon who thinks he's above the law. Wait a minute, so does the President.. and Karl Rove.. and.....
George Jones - 08:26pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#74 of 78)
ronnie earle 2/14/06 9:14pm
Y'all must be lonely at Demokrap functions being the only two White guys and all.
harry reid - 08:57pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#75 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
such immaturity...
harry reid - 09:13pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#76 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Where's Cheney?
It's been three days now and Dick Cheney has not publicly apologized for shooting a 78 year old man in the face. With the President's approval ratings at 39 when the incident happened, even Chris Matthews noted that at this rate Bush will be in the 20s by next week.
Scott McClellan was cracking jokes about the shooting this morning and didn't mention to the press that he knew the old man had suffered a heart attack. Now he doesn't want to talk about it any more. The sherrif's office has acknowledged that they weren't allowed to talk to Cheney for 15 hours after the accident, but now ranch owner Katharine Armstrong has told MSNBC that people in the party were drinking (though the comment was later scrubbed from the website).
If Cheney were hispanic and not the Vice President of the United States something tells me this whole thing would be handled quite differently.
harry reid - 09:16pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#77 of 78) “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
Bill Maher on Cheney
Bill joined Hardball and talked about Cheney and the shooting.
Video-WMP Video-QT
George Jones - 09:21pm Feb 14, 2006 Central (#78 of 78)
hairless red 2/14/06 10:13pm
Why should he appologize to you. He appologized to the person who was injured and that person seems to be satisfied. Have you taken over Emily Post's duties?